Sunday, August 15, 2004

Linda quits FSP

Source = FSP forum

I am disgustedby the lack of integrity shown by Jason & some of the other FSP "leaders"/"organizers" in this situation & others that have occurred over the last few months. I have sent the following letter to Amanda [whom I do feel still does have integrity]:


I have thought long & hard regarding my FSP membership. Several things have occurred over the last few months regarding policy/mission changes. I did not want to take rash action, so I gave myself a lot of time to think it through. But I cannot, in good conscience, continue as an FSP member because the current organization is no longer the one that I joined.

The FSP website specifically states:
"If these Guidelines are amended, anyone who has signed to an earlier version shall be given an opportunity to withdraw his consent"

The mission of the FSP has changed significantly & this, among other things, violates the spirit of the agreement. So much so that I feel that I must cancel my membership in the Free State Project. I did not want to do this without extending you the courtesy of giving you my reasons.

1) I joined what I thought was a political movement. The intent, or so I believed (the original statement to this effect has been removed from the website), was to "take over a state" (as per Jason Sorens). Because of the desire to obtain 501(c)3/4 status, the claim is now being made that it is not a political organization. It is also no longer "politically correct" within the FSP to use the term "take over" &, in fact, the website has been amended to specifically state that this is not the intent. These are changes that I cannot agree with.

2) I am concerned by the attempt to knowingly mislead by keeping the membership # at approx. 6,000. There has been evidence presented on the forums that there are ~2,000 names still included of people who cannot be confirmed despite repeated attempts to contact them in several different ways. There has been additional evidence that the true membership # is actually closer to 1,700. To give the FSP leadership the benefit of the doubt I have referred to it as misleading. But it is pretty close to being fraud.

Additionally, the guidelines stated that if 20,000 members were not achieved by 9/1/06, then the commitment was null & void. Now, FSP leadership is acting as though membership is an open-ended commitment that will continue indefinitely. Again, this changes what I committed to. And the phony membership # still on the website would cause me to seriously doubt the validity of any claim of having achieved 20,000 members.

3) It was ultimately revealed that only around 2,300 people voted regarding the state selection. Some people did not receive their ballots in time. In hindsight, the membership should probably have been confirmed prior to taking the vote. I'm not sure that this vote should be considered valid.

Add to that the information that we have learned about NH since then:

a) NM was not included in the vote because the population was approx. 1.5 million. Even though NH was approx. 1.2 million at the time of the vote, the projections for NH, given the continuing influx of people from MA, is that it will be far more populous than NM within a few years. 20,000 people wouldn't even make a dent, especially if the plan is specifically to NOT concentrate (ie. take over) any specific areas/towns.

b) NH is too expensive for most people to be able to move to, which would eliminate many people who might otherwise be a part of that 20,000. I asked very specific questions of a prominent LPNH member prior to the vote & was literally lied to re: real estate prices. I now know that I could never afford to live in NH. I can't possibly follow through on a commitment if I am literally unable to do so.

c) Statist attitudes are far more entrenched in NH than we have been led to believe. Most of the NH people whom I have come in contact with on the various FSP egroups (George Reich being a notable exception) are not people that I would ever want to live near or work with. They seem to merely want to change from the current mode of statism & control to their own version. They find it perfectly acceptable to support those laws that they are in favor of [& find it all too easy to threaten those who disagree with them]. And these are the "locals" who supposedly support the FSP goals! I am not looking to go to the expense & extreme effort of moving merely to exchange one version of statism for another. I have come to believe that NH is the wrong state & wish that the FSP leadership could acknowledge that before it is too late.

4) I am deeply disturbed by the way the FSP leadership has handled the so-called "Grafton incident", the Free Town Project, & Zack.

The Free Town Project is merely an informal group of individuals who believe in taking the "concentrate in one state" premise to it's logical conclusion of concentrating in a town [or county]. The people involved all agreed that they essentially wanted a truly libertarian town. Despite the fact that the FSP advertises any number of groups/organizations on the website & in announcements, it has consistently refused to mention this group [even prior to the "incident"].

The membership director of the FSP (Tim Condon) prematurely announced the selection of Grafton without consulting any of the other people involved. HE posted his "report" on public egroups & the FSP website. Had he not done this, the interest in Grafton might not have become noticeable to the residents of that town. I told him at the time that I disagreed with his decision to do this.

The incident also occurred because Zack publicized some illegal actions by the Grafton selectmen and their clerk - who was instrumental in organizing the meeting in Grafton & their campaign against Zack strictly for revenge. He never made ANY negative comments directed at "Graftonites" & his comments were no worse than those made by other people encountering similar problems (ie. Mike Lorrey's difficulty with a local police official regarding a permit.) Yet Zack is publicly crucified for his comments, while others are not.

I have to also wonder how the FSP leadership would have reacted had it been their personal info posted on the forum in a misleading way. Anything can be twisted to make someone look bad. And most activists are activists for a reason & have had run-ins with gov't bureaucrats. Let he who is without any history cast the 1st stone.

The incident was further complicated by the FSP leadership decision to essentially take over the Grafton meeting. Several members of the FTP had intended to attend that meeting until it became obvious that the FSP had decided to take over the "defense" & that it would be nothing more than a witch hunt if they did attend. Since they no longer intended to attend the porc fest at that point & lived far enough away that it would be a considerable expense for them to come merely to be publicly offered up as scapegoats by the FSP, it became no longer worthwhile for them to attend the meeting.

The FSP site specifically says it will expel members for promoting violence. Zack has never promoted aggression or the initiation of violence, yet he was expelled. On the other hand, Dave Mincin - the NH FSP liaison & co-organizer of the Porc Fest - is considered a valued member of the FSP leadership & has not been expelled - despite threats of violence he has made directed at other FSP members (& which has been pointed out to the FSP leadership). The standards for being welcomed - or expelled - are obviously inconsistently applied at the whim of the leadership.

This situation was made even worse, in my view, when Jason decided to go onto non-FSP related lists, under an assumed alias! - to attempt to discredit Zack with information presented in a knowingly false & misleading manner. Prior to that I had a high degree of respect for Jason. Unfortunately, I can no longer say that now. I would also have to wonder what other subterfuge is occurring & who else will be attacked - publicly or via assumed aliases - for disagreeing.

Then, Tim Condon - speaking for the FSP - goes on a radio show to publicly proclaim that the abolition of victimless crime laws (like prostitution) is not what the FSP is about. References to wanting to repeal laws relating to specific victimless crimes are no longer "politically correct" & have pretty much been removed from the FSP website - as has any reference to "taking over" & any reference to the FTP [including Tim's report].

This is NOT the same organization or project that I signed up to support. I am therefore rescinding my FSP membership.

I still support the original goals of the FSP, but I cannot support the project in its current revised form. I am willing to uproot my life & go to the effort & expense involved in moving for real freedom - but it's not worth it for just another version of lib-lite. Unfortunately, I do not believe that NH can ever be anything more than lib-lite. Nevertheless, I hope that I am wrong & you succeed.

Amanda - I personally like & respect you & your commitment to the FSP. I wish you well in your endeavors, both personally & professionally.

Sincerely,
Linda

40 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone please tell Linda to watch the press conference with Jason when he announces NH? He says that they PURPOSELY made the vote difficult!He says they purposely sent ballots late! ALso, she should know that the BIGGEST reason the FSP leadership chose NH was: Gov.Benson, who is not a Libertarian and is just after their votes..It seems Philips and Sorens may have been looking for ways to have a political career, and Benson was their ticket. Just a week ago they were all hanging out with Babiarz and Benson in Grafton!!They used Zack/Larry as a "scapegoat" and I don't think it really worked! They also crapped all over Kenneth Royce/Boston T Party, and I think that is because he is RIGHT about why NH is the wrong choice for the FSP and he explained it, something that made Alan Weiss MAD.

7:28 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally! Even people in the FSP can see their are full of LIES!

7:43 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally! Even people in the FSP can see they are full of LIES!

7:43 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey JonM-THE FSP IS THE NHLA. YOU can have as many groups as you want but they all stem from the FSP including the FTP. Pretend or be in denial or be misguided, whatever. But you are wrong. And anyway, why would someone want to join a movement to NH if that is all it is?? People know how to move. This is why Boston T Party is a million times better..he admits what he is doing and he doesn't hide his agenda. The FSP continually changes their website as soon as one of us statist lowlifes points out what is on it: Tim Condon's essay is now gone. What was wrong with it? Amanda did tell Zack not to come to NH, or at least that is what she told the Grafton town folk at the Grafton town meeting. Jason originally sent his genius essay around to all types of people, and it spoke of secession. Now it is all about a bus to NH? The crazy bus. Just a few days ago Alan Weiss told Gary Snyder in an email that Benson is helping pave the way for the FSP to turn NH into a Libertopia. You guys think you are so smart by saying the FSP is the bus, and then you all form that lame LSF and that lame NHLA. Whatever. NHLA/FSP/FTP/LSF all the same!!!And then FSP leadership clings to the NH Governor. You might as well be a Republican bus. Benson is only on board with the FSP when it comes to being greedy with money. He is NOT on board with legalizing ANY drugs, including medicinal marijuana.

7:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Grafton shitbags. THE PLAN IS TO TAKE YOU OVER BY FORCE! Don't get confused. I'm an FSP member and we talk about it all the time. We also formulate stories to spoon-feed this blog and twist your little hillbilly minds into our way of thinking. Haha, you are puppets.

You haven't had an original complaint or issue, that has not been planted by an FSP representative since the first week of inception. The funny thing is, I can tell you this now, and still be in control of you by the end of the day. The lights are a little dim in Grafton, and they will soon go out!

There is no plan to move to Grafton. Do you understand that shitbags?? Understand, when I say "shitbags" I'm talking about everyone in NH, not just Grafton. The plan is to TAKE OVER, migration is not necessary, who the fuck would live in Grafton on purpose anyway? BTW, NH wasn't chosen because it is the most " free state" it was chosen because the people who occupy it are generally the most ignorant residents that occupy any state and they are as defenseless as school girls when it comes to politics. You are completly predictable with every action you take. This blog is all you can do to defend yourselves against the impending take over?? That is why Grafton was chosen. Do you think the same response would be offered out west??? Not a chance, they would have skinned us alive for throwing Zack at them, but you people are great, you take it right in the ass and ask for more. Zack was great wasn't he?? I don't think anyone could have done it better. You responded with the usual predictability, just like what was planned. Haha, boy, it was beautiful!

Grafton will be TAKEN OVER! don't you worry about that. The snare has already been tripped by your very own top official. It's all over but the publicity for the next endeavor. This will go down in history as one of the most profound political coups in America's history, and ya'll git to be a part of it, so, look alive! Everyone is watching.

Im gonna save this, for future display behind my desk for new employees to wonder at with a starry gaze.

"Even with the whole plan laid out before them, they couldn't stop us!! No excuses, take no prisoners ! Get out there and TAKE OVER the market just like we did!"

10:30 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A reverse-reverse-meme-sting? :OP

10:58 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will make sure to get a seat right up front for when our government comes and blows all you assholes away. You really think our government is so dumb it will LET you FSP ididots take over anything?? Keep that thinking going, it will make your demise happen quicker..You guys are in Lipertopia dreamland. Hi Mark! Yeah, zack is beautiful! you are right. thanks zack,timmy and mikey "nutjob" lorrey!!

11:01 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL, hi yourself. :Op

The above rant is obviously not from a real FSPer. And I'm not sure the government has gotten so bad that they will start shooting people canvasing neighborhoods with financial-conservative, socially-liberal policy warrant petitions. :O)

11:07 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The funny thing is, FSP/FTP, and Zack are responding exactly how WE wanted them to. I didn't register savegrafton.com because I knew if I didn't, zack would register it, and point it to his freetown project site. Guess what, he did! Do you really think this blog is all the resistance you will see? Why don't you come to Grafton/NH and 'see what happens'. That is what FSP is all about anyway, right?

11:07 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>We also formulate stories to spoon-feed this blog and twist your little hillbilly minds into our way of thinking. Haha, you are puppets.


Timmy and Mikey are not that smart. It has been 2 months since the June 19th meeting. FSP claimed to have 6000 members at the meeting. They still do not have 6000 members. It has taken almost a year to get the last 1000 members. Maybe in 14 more years the FSP can reach 20,0000 bus riders. Oh, but they only have till Sept. 2006. As Timmy would say "DRAT!"

I suggest you look into WY, if you want a plan that might be workable. You need to start your own town from scratch, and take over a county. For more information about the Free State Wyoming Project visit: http://www.javelinpress.com/free_state_wyoming.html

11:38 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kenneth Royce/Boston T. Party wouldn't want these FSP/FTP rejects..He said so himself!!He has integrity.

11:57 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What in your opinion should FSP do?"

GIVE UP!! Quit now and wait for Sorens to write a new essay..

12:02 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And I'm not sure the government has gotten so bad that they will start shooting people canvasing neighborhoods with financial-conservative, socially-liberal policy warrant petitions. :O)"

That is the fatal flaw of the whole FSP idea..under-estimating the good ole government..tsk tsk..

12:04 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an organizer for the FSP, speaking anonymously, I can confirm what the other person said above is completely true. You wouldn't belive what goes on in the secret Yahoo! forums we have.

12:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I can confirm that if it is in a yahoo group, it is not secret.

12:50 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You would not believe who is feeding us info! We don't post everything. And if we don't want the FSP/FTP to know something, we do not put it on the internet.

12:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bollocks.

1:26 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FSP will TAKE YOU SNIVELING LITTLE GIRL'S OVER whether you approve are not. We don't need a single person to migrate either, it's an inside job that is already at hand. Consider yourselves a conquered people, and stop crying about it. You Will accept the liberty provided, even if we have to cram it down your cum gurgling gullets.

1:44 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You wanna talk about little girls? that is you! You big whiny baby. Boo Hoo. You can't make your town how you want and you are a bitter little turd. BRING IT ON LOSER!!!Grafton can hold its own. We aren't AFRAID of a bunch of morons..We will take your shit and throw you out just like we did to the kkk..like i said, bring it on LADIES..You wouldn't be on our blog THREATENING us if we didn't hit a nerve. Come on sweetie. We are waiting...

1:48 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think a group on yahoo is secret, well, WHATEVER.

1:50 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not think the recent post's by current FSP members should be construed as "threatening" or "Whiny". I believe they are referring to the recent developments and decisions propagated by our state and local officials. They are more likely gloating. All will be made public in the very near future. Indeed, it's a very sad day, to be sure.

2:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"THE PLAN IS TO TAKE YOU OVER BY FORCE"

Sounds like a threat to me.

2:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Put up or shut up. You are pulling a "Denonville" now..Going around talking s**t with nothing to back it up. We are waiting.. AND YES IT IS A THREAT TO TAKE OVER SOMEONE BY FORCE. Did the "good neighbor" program not work out for you guys??

2:56 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FSP put all their eggs in one basket, then counted all their chickens before they hatched. How many chickens again?

3:21 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Good Neighbor"?? That kind of talk was only a means to an end. Now, things have changed, we don't need to be nice anymore. We are taking you over by "force" in retaliation for years of socialist brainwashing and murder in the name of god. We are not auditioning for new neighbors. We don't care what you like, we just want your land, and we will have it. Lock , stock, and barrel-It's over.

I cant wait until the consensual age for sex is abolished. oh yeah baby, and polygamy will enable not only one 12-year-old wife, but five. We own you!! and will soon own your daughter and sons to boot. Here we come!!

3:37 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hacel/tony: you are wrong with some of your guesses. my guess was mark was writing the shitbag stuff..

3:39 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>I cant wait until the consensual age for sex is abolished.

What are you talking about? You don't need consent to have sex with conquered people. duh. You can just call them 'slaves', and do what you like.

3:46 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Good Neighbor"?? That kind of talk was only a means to an end. Now, things have changed, we don't need to be nice anymore. We are taking you over by "force" in retaliation for years of socialist brainwashing and murder in the name of god. We are not auditioning for new neighbors. We don't care what you like, we just want your land, and we will have it. Lock , stock, and barrel-It's over.
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talk about shitbags..you are such a candy ass. no one in nh or grafton has done those things to you..either target the real enemy you are referring to: US gov. or f**k off. what an idiot! did you just recently fall on your head?

3:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea, I had used the term 'shitbags' when talking about the target audience they would like to attract. We are "shitheads" and "fuckwads". They are getting confused.

3:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tee hee. Can't wait until we can finally start giving these Save Grafton folks a taste of their own statist medicine. Can you say "eminent domain"? Tee hee. Goodbye shitwads!

4:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh please you know this is all bullshit probably by shaun howard or chuck. ignore these idiots.

4:18 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay you said you quit the FSP because you didn't want to embarass them with your business or something like that. I didn't realize you thought Rebecca was MQoS. She is not. So, yes dig it up please. BTW, the clues are all staring you in the face as to who MQoS is, but I guess you would prefer to make stuff up??I thought you were one of the ones that told the truth, but now I am not so sure. I think sometimes you are telling the truth and sometimes you THINK you are and sometimes you know you are not.

5:16 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FSP approves of talking s**t on Larry/Zack. They encourage it! They do it themselves on the forum, in town meetings, in interviews for newspapers, on the radio...If anyone would ever put them on TV, they would talk s**t about him then too. I hope Larry secretly agreed to let them use him as a battering ram, otherwise, he should be pissed.

5:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many people can say for certain that this Zack/Larry really exists? I'm inclined to believe the earlier statements that indict the FSP on the charge of shady dealing. My wife's sister works at the courthouse and said theirs something very hush- hush going on.

8:01 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Grafton shitbags. THE PLAN IS TO TAKE YOU OVER BY FORCE! Don't get confused. I'm an FSP member and we talk about it all the time. We also formulate stories to spoon-feed this blog and twist your little hillbilly minds into our way of thinking. Haha, you are puppets.

You haven't had an original complaint or issue, that has not been planted by an FSP representative since the first week of inception. The funny thing is, I can tell you this now, and still be in control of you by the end of the day. The lights are a little dim in Grafton, and they will soon go out!

There is no plan to move to Grafton. Do you understand that shitbags?? Understand, when I say "shitbags" I'm talking about everyone in NH, not just Grafton. The plan is to TAKE OVER, migration is not necessary, who the fuck would live in Grafton on purpose anyway? BTW, NH wasn't chosen because it is the most " free state" it was chosen because the people who occupy it are generally the most ignorant residents that occupy any state and they are as defenseless as school girls when it comes to politics. You are completly predictable with every action you take. This blog is all you can do to defend yourselves against the impending take over?? That is why Grafton was chosen. Do you think the same response would be offered out west??? Not a chance, they would have skinned us alive for throwing Zack at them, but you people are great, you take it right in the ass and ask for more. Zack was great wasn't he?? I don't think anyone could have done it better. You responded with the usual predictability, just like what was planned. Haha, boy, it was beautiful!

Grafton will be TAKEN OVER! don't you worry about that. The snare has already been tripped by your very own top official. It's all over but the publicity for the next endeavor. This will go down in history as one of the most profound political coups in America's history, and ya'll git to be a part of it, so, look alive! Everyone is watching.

8:30 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...
hacel/tony: you are wrong with some of your guesses. my guess was mark was writing the shitbag stuff..
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Um, nope. I just surfed on in after a few weeks of lurking Mexican donkey sex show websites to see what internet flame wars had popped up here and noticed the tacky reverse-meme (it insults both you and me) FSP participant simulation. Besides, I prefer the term poop. You poopyheads.

- Mark

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame01.html
Let's have an off-topic thread and discuss which of the above applies to all of us. LoL. :OD

11:24 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol, a "reverse-meme" It is highly unlikely that these shitbags have ever heard of Dawkins, let alone a meme, which btw, in reverse, would be contrary and void. The before mentioned post is neither. In addition, "bright" in any form or current usage would be lost on the Graftonites.

Refer to some of Mr Condons quotes in regard to the intelligence and character of Grafton residents, I think he puts it in perspective, as does Jason, Amanda, and anyone even remotely involved with the FSP.

It's gonna take one big-ass garbage truck to clean up all that white trash. Pickup times will be announced shortly.

--Reverse-Mark

1:09 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish I could be as smart as Mark. He is almost as smart as mikey lorrey, the genius. Didn't you guys get the 'lay low' memo? Don't you have a book to read?

9:25 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, go read some more! Amanda is saying that the FSP is NOT endorsing Benson. They just like to lick his nuts because he endorsed THEM. She says if you don't understand why they are all on Benson's d**k, you should read the Art Of War, and then you will get it! Too bad us hillbillies don't read. Oh well. We are just waiting to be taken over. When will that be exactly??

11:22 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>It's gonna take one big-ass garbage truck to clean up all that white trash. Pickup times will be announced shortly.

Will those gargage trucks take elitist trash too?

12:25 PM

 

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