Sorry Tim Condon, I misquoted you
You did not write "If we build it, they will come",
You wrote,"Build it first, in other words, and they will come."
-message 134 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free_Town_Project
Kind of funny how Tim Condon did not deny it was said, he just tried to shift blame, and said, "Zack Bass said that" or some other silliness. Is blaming Zack for everything the new strategy? That seemed to be all FSP/FTP had today at the Grafton meeting. Tim, you have lost all credibility with me, and you are supposed to be the credible one of the bunch.
Will you answer the question now that I post proof that you wrote it, and have the quote correct?
What did you mean when you wrote "Build it first, in other words, and they will come."?
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Message 134 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free_Town_Project
From: Tim Condon
Date: Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:04 pm
Subject: Slim pickin's
Incidentally, there are only 11 members of this list. Pretty slim pickings. And there are only 25 on the Liberate_Dalton list. Either one is a loser with numbers so small. What needs to be done is PICK THE DAMNED TOWN, and then start trumpeting it to the rest of the membership. Build it first, in other words, and they will come. --Tim C.
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Honesty is the best policy.
7 Comments:
"Honesty and integrity seems to have been pushed aside by the FSP "
You are hardly the one to speak about "honest and integrity" Ebay-Boy.
10:34 AM
Feel free to cross-post wherever you can. Amanda Phillips apparently holds residents of Grafton to a different standard than non-Grafton residents when she banned me yesterday after posting something she found to be offensive after one warning. She gives Grafton residents the one strike and you're out treatment while others receive two warnings.
The Top Ten Lies Told In the Wake Of The Grafton Focus Meeting 6/19
And boy, were they coming fast and furious down the pike, during the meeting and afterward in the mentions in the press.
10) From the 6/20 Union Leader: "There's a lot of fear and xenophobia out there," said Tim Condon. "They want to fight against anyone coming in. That's why they kept saying, you haven't answered the question."
Ohmigod, does he really believe this??? Is he really this dense? Does he really think people in NH and Grafton believed his horseshit? One person said, in addition to being a lawyer, he must be a farmer cause he sure does dish out the manure. He must own a helluva backhoe!
9) From the Peaks & Valleys column in the 6/20 Boston Globe: “[Babiarz] now says he wants nothing to do with the Freetowners.”
Really, now, John? Then why are you and Rosalie so graciously offering to play host to the invading porcupines who will be showing up in town on the 27th for a four-hour tour of the Free Town?
8) From the mouth of Mike Lorrey: “Grafton has 40 square miles of land. There’s a lot of land to build on, you won’t even know we’re there.”
Sorry, we forget, you’re from the big city of Lebanon you don’t know about things like swamps and ledge. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE 40 SQUARE MILES DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN BUILD ON EVERY SQUARE INCH. Besides, you’ve already stated in other public posts that your core group of Free Towners don’t really have much of a pot to piss in. Who’s gonna volunteer to buy that 5.1 acre parcel that’s solid ledge, that will take tens of thousands of dollars worth of explosives to blast out in order to put a septic system in? Oh wait, silly me, I forgot that Dave Walthour told you it was perfectly fine to just pipe your shit and sewage into the ground through some PVC pipe, with absolutely no mention of a septic system design let alone that it ain’t a good idea to dig your well a few feet away from your septage pipe. Wonder what the NH department of environmental services and the state board of realtors will say this week when they get a copy of the email where Dave Walthour told Tim Condon it was perfectly okay. Might as well send a copy to the NH Bar Association, in case Condon gets the funny idea that he might like to practice law once he moves to Free Town, Free State, USA.
7) From Mike Lorrey at the meeting, or, Bring Out The Violins: When asked why if Grafton is so great, why he hasn’t moved here yet: “Economics, and also I had to take care of my sick mother.” One old-timer countered that with “I took care of my parents til the day they died and I was in Grafton the whole time, you would have moved here already if you love the town so much.”
6) From the talking-out-of-both-sides-of-her-mouth Miss ANARCH vanity plate Amanda Phillips, when queried about Zack Bass: “We have urged him not to move to New Hampshire, and he is no longer a member of the Free State Project.” To which a resident yelled out, “Yeah, when did you kick him out, yesterday?” She didn’t reply.
5) From Tim Condon, Amanda Phillips, and Mike Lorrey at the meeting: “We have no agenda, we are not a political organization. We each have personal opinions, but we don’t represent the beliefs of the Free State or Free Town Project.”
Told with absolute straight faces! They certainly did some fancy footwork around this one. They advocate less government yet they are not “political.” Jason Sorens’ original thesis was to “take over” a state, but no, they’re not political in the least. Right. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Grafton to show you.
4) From Mike Lorrey as quoted in the Valley News: “Some of the opposition’s been painting a lot of nasty pictures of compounds and cults and really offensive characterizations like that.”
Whether you consider the “opposition” to be Graftonites or Zack Bass, the detailed plans of subdividing Bob Hull’s 237 acre parcel into 5.1 acre lots along with lists of places where you could get shipping containers DID NOT come from the “opposition.” They came from the likes of YOU, Michael, in addition to Captain Bruce Hartgers, Tim Condon, and Dave Walthour.
3) From Amanda Phillips, as quoted in the Valley News: “[Zack] is not the kind of person that represents the Free State Project.” The last paragraph in the article proceeds to contradict her with this: “Loosely aligned by a desire for a society with smaller government and fewer laws, Free Staters advocate the legalization of ‘victimless’ crimes such as prostitution and personal drug use.” Nuff said.
2) From John Babiarz, in the Globe article, on Zack et al: “These people don’t play nice.”
And John, you do? You started the whole thing when you “sold” the Free Town committee (WHICH INCLUDED ZACK) on Grafton. You did so ON THE SLY, WITHOUT TELLING THE TOWN WHAT YOU DID. You now wonder why you’re a pariah in town.
1) From Tim Condon, at the meeting in response to a question from a resident, “What would you do if we were to approve a zoning article in the next election? Would you tell your ‘followers’ to not bother moving here?”
“We’d vote it down, of course”
“That’s not what I asked.”
“We are against zoning.”
“Can you please answer the question? Would you abandon the Free Town Project since your top criteria was a town with no zoning?”
Of course, more gibberish spewed from the mouth of Tim Condon, and he never did answer the question. See his quote above in number 10.
To sum up, all four of the puppets in front of the room COULD HAVE provided some valuable information to the townspeople in attendance. Contrary to their preconceived notions, we were open to hearing their ideas and plans. Instead, they mush-mouthed their way around EVERY SINGLE QUESTION, and if Tim Condon thinks we kept saying “You’re not answering the question” because we wanted to keep them out, he probably isn’t too good at reading a jury in his line of work. And his social skills need lots of work: he walked up to a friend of mine out of the blue who was wearing a POW/MIA shirt and starting talking about when he served in Vietnam, etc. He proceeded to barge in in the middle of a conversation between two residents who had served in WW2 and another who spent his career in the Air Force – all were wearing military insignia of some kind on their clothing – and if he just thought he could insinuate himself into the town by pretending he could fit in as a veteran, well, all I can say is I’d never sign up to be his client.
In order of most annoying: 1) Condon; 2) Phillips; 3) Lorrey. Since Babiarz kept his mouth shut most of the time, he didn’t qualify as annoying, but at times he looked like a deer caught in headlines. I don’t think he ever anticipated such a big turnout among people who now consider him to be an official enemy of the town.
2:10 PM
The town turnout was great. It made me proud to be a resident! Now, if we'd been given honest information, I'd have considered my time well spent. Instead I wished I'd worn my boots.
3:02 PM
Oh Boy! Now Michael the leopard wants to calmly explain how Hull bought up land to simply help the poor old libertarians who have not enough money to move on their own! Why are people moving here with no jobs or money for homes? Hey Michael the leopard- read your old emails from your plotting yahoo group. You should still have them right?
7:59 AM
Hi! This is Michael (again)... time to respond to more 'sky is falling' claptrap...
***Oh Boy! Now Michael the leopard wants to calmly explain how Hull bought up land to simply help the poor old libertarians who have not enough money to move on their own!
Yes, I do tend to be calm (except in a few frustrated debates with several statists that simply cannot extend the logic of 'A person has no right to initiate violence upon another' to 'A group of people, no matter how large, still do not gain such a right to do violence upon folks') and I think that Mr. Hull is quite generous AND empathetic in his desires to help out those less fortunate than he... its called charity, the ALTERNATIVE to using the government force of stealing your money through taxation and redistributing it among folks through welfare, corporate subsidies, and the like. Does this scare you that people actually have compassion and are willing to put THEIR OWN MONEY where their mouth is? Alot of folks have the misguided idea that libertarianism is cold and harsh... while actually the opposite is quite true. I myself donate the the Liberty Scholarship Fund in NH (I don't even live there yet!) whose purpose is to provide lower income children acess to funds for obtaining education in private locations (universities, etc).
***Why are people moving here with no jobs or money for homes?
ME: Why do you care? One thing these folks WILL NOT DO is suck that giant teet of government for welfare or social handouts... these kids might just want to apply their skills to building a community that repects peoples privacy and property is all... but, I really couldn't be sure as I do not know who might be moving on to Mr. Hulls property, if anyone.
***Hey Michael the leopard- read your old emails from your plotting yahoo group. You should still have them right?
'plotting' 'scheming' 'coniving' 'sneaky' 'dastardly' 'insidious'... go ahead, feel free to use any or all of these malice filled terms... you are really paranoid about other folks? Actually, I think that is quite healthy as you never know what others may intend or the harm they could cause - keep it up and it will be the great objective of any 'Free Towners' to prove to you that they mean you no harm.
No, I have no posts as I am using Yahoo which at the time had a 4mb limit so I had to quickly delete posts as soon as I could to keep up with various discussions. Sorry.... But, I am pretty sure my views haven't changed too much over these past 6-18 months and would be happy to oblige any questions you might have... for speedier response, please email me directly at:
leopardpm@yahoo.com
as I do not frequent this site too often and it is extremely clunky to use as a disussion forum... I suggest you start up a Yahoo group or other venue if you are really serious about questioning me, my intentions, my philosophy, my integrity, my honesty, my passions, loves, desires, values, or just about anything else...
BTW: I love all things economical in nature and relish the thought of discussing the benefits of freedom over government interventionism.
michael
6:31 AM
I really can't keep up with all the different parts of this Blog - join this Yahoo Group and we can talk, and Zack (I am sure will be there as well - Zack also has a forum to post questions to which is good also, up to you.... if you want to grill us on anything from 'What the Heck are you doing?' to 'Libertarianism is Stupid!', we will be happy to oblige... there.
I created a Yahoo Group expressly for the purpose of discussing items with Grafonites, if anyone cares to participate or lurk, it could be very enlightening... I do not know if anyone from Grafton will join up...
Group name: GraftonCrisis
Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraftonCrisis
Group email: GraftonCrisis@yahoogroups.com
Zacks Forum:
http://forum.freecountyproject.com/index.php?board=8
thank you for your time...
michael
8:40 PM
Hey Grafton shitbags. THE PLAN IS TO TAKE YOU OVER BY FORCE! Don't get confused. I'm an FSP member and we talk about it all the time. We also formulate stories to spoon-feed this blog and twist your little hillbilly minds into our way of thinking. Haha, you are puppets.
You haven't had an original complaint or issue, that has not been planted by an FSP representative since the first week of inception. The funny thing is, I can tell you this now, and still be in control of you by the end of the day. The lights are a little dim in Grafton, and they will soon go out!
There is no plan to move to Grafton. Do you understand that shitbags?? Understand, when I say "shitbags" I'm talking about everyone in NH, not just Grafton. The plan is to TAKE OVER, migration is not necessary, who the fuck would live in Grafton on purpose anyway? BTW, NH wasn't chosen because it is the most " free state" it was chosen because the people who occupy it are generally the most ignorant residents that occupy any state and they are as defenseless as school girls when it comes to politics. You are completly predictable with every action you take. This blog is all you can do to defend yourselves against the impending take over?? That is why Grafton was chosen. Do you think the same response would be offered out west??? Not a chance, they would have skinned us alive for throwing Zack at them, but you people are great, you take it right in the ass and ask for more. Zack was great wasn't he?? I don't think anyone could have done it better. You responded with the usual predictability, just like what was planned. Haha, boy, it was beautiful!
Grafton will be TAKEN OVER! don't you worry about that. The snare has already been tripped by your very own top official. It's all over but the publicity for the next endeavor. This will go down in history as one of the most profound political coups in America's history, and ya'll git to be a part of it, so, look alive! Everyone is watching.
8:19 PM
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